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Friday, July 14, 2006

It's Simple, Stupid

CNN.com is reporting that Lebanon's prime minister is calling for a cease fire and increasing US pressure to halt the Israeli attacks in Lebanon.

I agree, this should happen. And here's the proper response to his pleas. As soon as you get the two kidnapped soldiers back to us, we will stop bombing the living crap (not the word I wanted to use, believe me) out of you.

See, it's simple, stupid.


  • Elster,

    You are well meaning but extremely naive.

    Hezbollah infiltrated into Israel and murdered eight soldiers. It would be inexcusable for the State of Israel to halt the IDF's actions before at the very least seriously weakening Hezbollah's capabilities, and removing them from Israel's northern border.

    Return of the two soldiers while allowing Hezbollah license to repeat the same type of action again would be pathetic.

    By Blogger Joe Schick, at 11:04 AM  

  • I believe this action is more about the returning of the two lives than about Hezbollahs's operations. At least I hope it is. Perhaps I am naive.

    By Blogger Elster, at 11:30 AM  

  • You do not know what you're talking about.

    By Blogger Joe Schick, at 11:35 AM  

  • Wouldn't be the first time. And besides, the fact is that until the Lebanese gov't takes an action to show they are serious, why should the israeli govt take their request seriouly. A return of the two kidnapped soldiers shows they are serious abt working with the Israelis

    By Blogger Elster, at 11:45 AM  

  • Pursuant to the Prime Minister's comments, it appears Joe was right. The operation will not end until Hezbollah is disarmed in Lebanon. This is why I stay away from politics. - cause I don't know anything.

    By Blogger Elster, at 1:23 PM  

  • "This is why I stay away from politics. - cause I don't know anything."

    Agreed. Your statement that you "hope" that Israel's "action is more about the returning of the two lives than about Hezbollahs's operations" proves your lack of political instincts. By your logic, it'd be okay for Hezbollah to invade Israel, murder its soldiers, and station tens of thousands of rockets at the border, as long as it didn't kidnap anyone for more than a few days.

    By Blogger Joe Schick, at 2:43 PM  

  • This is a ploy on the part of the Arabs to make it seem like they are willing to negotiate while Israel is not. They are master propagandists when it comes to making Israel look bad in the eyes of the world. I say we should carpet bomb the whole place... (just kidding - sort of).

    By Blogger Kelly, at 4:48 PM  

  • Ok Joe - u win. You can take off the gloves.

    By Blogger Elster, at 9:57 PM  

  • hmmm... that was gracious elster, but i'm not sure joe wins...

    there is a difference between political realities (Joe's argument) and human feelings and compassion (elster's position). The intricacies of international negotiations and global warfare... and seeing the "big picture" is vastly different from feeling for the young men (and their families) who are being held captive. And no, no one is naive enough to believe that emotions take precedence over politics -- but if the emotional piece is forgotten completely, then we have lost our humanity and we are no different than the animals/terrorists who toss away human life as if it had no meaning.

    Gd forbid it was your son (or your nephew, or your neighbor's son) who was presumably *alive* and in captivity, you might *feel* differently. (again, not to say that the nation should act differently...)

    so joe scores on the political necessities and realistic course of action... but elster scores on reminding us that those boys/young men may still be alive and that we should remember them, even if the chance to rescue them is virtually non-existent (naive, i know) -- "...before at the very least seriously weakening [let's go for utter destruction of] Hezbollah's capabilities, and removing them from Israel's northern border [why not go for removing them from the map?]."

    and yes, i am well aware that i know nothing of politics.... that's not reallly the point.

    By Anonymous iamokayasanonymous, at 2:07 AM  

  • iamokayasanonymous,

    What have you been smoking?

    Everyone wants these soldiers to be rescued. But there is no moral justification to have given up the lives of many additional soldiers and civilians solely to save the kidnapped soldiers' lives. The reason this war is occurring is because Israel has a duty to its soldiers and its civilians to remove the threat that continues to emanate from Lebanon.

    Don't ever accuse me of lacking "human feelings and compassion" when it comes to IDF soliders, or to anyone or anything relating to Israel.

    By Blogger Joe Schick, at 6:58 AM  

  • Simply put - Joe is correct. I was speaking on an emotional level - However, the fact remains that it is naive to pretend that the return of these 2 soldiers meant that Israel "won". Winning in this case is the disarmament of Hezbollah and the removal of Lebanon as a threat to the northern borders of Israel.

    But seriously, let's all keep it civil.

    By Blogger Elster, at 8:44 PM  

  • elster, i did not intend for any part of my comment to be uncivil and i apologize if that is what came through in my words. joe, i reread my post and i don't believe i accused you of lacking human feelings for IDF soldiers or Israeli citizens -- again, i apologize if that was the message.

    IM(H)O, it is a bit like the post from July 9... there are no winners, and losing is not an option. i'll just stop there.

    By Anonymous iamokayasanonymous, at 9:44 PM  

  • Iamok - I do not think there was anything uncivil about your post of your message. Actually, i think you hit the message of my post very well. I was just concerned about this thread spinning out of control.

    By Blogger Elster, at 10:10 PM  

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